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Sync data using telephone

22 posts in Pocket PowerBuilder Last posting was on 2010-06-21 02:09:37.0Z
"Manuel Espinoza" <jmespinoza_no_spam Posted on 2010-05-28 21:38:50.0Z
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Hi all!


This is new to me; I'm asked to data Sync even when there's no wireless
network available, so the only method I can think of is using the GSM
network. I guess I would connect to internet using the phone, then sending
an e-mail with the data package attached...

So, the questions are:

How to make the app create an internet connection using the phone?
Any better idea?


I'm using the Motorola MC35 and PocketBuilder 2.5.1.


Many thanks in advance


"Manuel Espinoza" <jmespinoza_no_spam Posted on 2010-06-10 15:31:58.0Z
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No comments?

:(


"Manuel Espinoza" <jmespinoza_no_spam@seicom_dot_com_dot_mx> escribió en el
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> Hi all!
>
>
> This is new to me; I'm asked to data Sync even when there's no wireless
> network available, so the only method I can think of is using the GSM
> network. I guess I would connect to internet using the phone, then sending
> an e-mail with the data package attached...
>
> So, the questions are:
>
> How to make the app create an internet connection using the phone?
> Any better idea?
>
>
> I'm using the Motorola MC35 and PocketBuilder 2.5.1.
>
>
> Many thanks in advance
>


Grigoris Tsolakidis Posted on 2010-06-11 08:25:58.0Z
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You can use GSM is GPRS is enabled.
In this case you can acess any ip adress.
If there is mobile link waiting you can Sync you data
Ï "Manuel Espinoza" <jmespinoza_no_spam@seicom_dot_com_dot_mx> Ýãñáøå óôï
ìÞíõìá news:4c11056e@forums-1-dub...

> No comments?
>
> :(
>
>
> "Manuel Espinoza" <jmespinoza_no_spam@seicom_dot_com_dot_mx> escribió en
> el mensaje news:4c0037ea$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Hi all!
>>
>>
>> This is new to me; I'm asked to data Sync even when there's no wireless
>> network available, so the only method I can think of is using the GSM
>> network. I guess I would connect to internet using the phone, then
>> sending an e-mail with the data package attached...
>>
>> So, the questions are:
>>
>> How to make the app create an internet connection using the phone?
>> Any better idea?
>>
>>
>> I'm using the Motorola MC35 and PocketBuilder 2.5.1.
>>
>>
>> Many thanks in advance
>>
>
>


"Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove Posted on 2010-06-11 18:51:30.0Z
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Why use e-mail? MobiLink is the way to sync remote SA/UL databases with a
consolidated host DBMS...

--
Paul Horan[Sybase]
http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com

"Manuel Espinoza" <jmespinoza_no_spam@seicom_dot_com_dot_mx> wrote in
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> No comments?
>
> :(
>
>
> "Manuel Espinoza" <jmespinoza_no_spam@seicom_dot_com_dot_mx> escribió en
> el mensaje news:4c0037ea$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Hi all!
>>
>>
>> This is new to me; I'm asked to data Sync even when there's no wireless
>> network available, so the only method I can think of is using the GSM
>> network. I guess I would connect to internet using the phone, then
>> sending an e-mail with the data package attached...
>>
>> So, the questions are:
>>
>> How to make the app create an internet connection using the phone?
>> Any better idea?
>>
>>
>> I'm using the Motorola MC35 and PocketBuilder 2.5.1.
>>
>>
>> Many thanks in advance
>>
>
>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2010-06-16 00:28:17.0Z
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Hi Paul;

ML is a great iAnywhere product ... but, I bet the reason is that email is
free (just a guess) and ML is not. Same for me in many of my PK
applications. I wrote my own Sync utility that can be used from either PK or
PB and thus the systems we ship do not have to incur the ML costs and
deployment headaches - especially where various organizations do not have a
stellar IT department.

--

Regards ... Chris
President: OSUG / STD Inc.
Blog: http://chrispollach.pbdjmagazine.com
SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass

"Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove@remove_sybase.com> wrote in message
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> Why use e-mail? MobiLink is the way to sync remote SA/UL databases with a
> consolidated host DBMS...
>
> --
> Paul Horan[Sybase]
> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>
> "Manuel Espinoza" <jmespinoza_no_spam@seicom_dot_com_dot_mx> wrote in
> message news:4c11056e@forums-1-dub...
>> No comments?
>>
>> :(
>>
>>
>> "Manuel Espinoza" <jmespinoza_no_spam@seicom_dot_com_dot_mx> escribió en
>> el mensaje news:4c0037ea$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> Hi all!
>>>
>>>
>>> This is new to me; I'm asked to data Sync even when there's no wireless
>>> network available, so the only method I can think of is using the GSM
>>> network. I guess I would connect to internet using the phone, then
>>> sending an e-mail with the data package attached...
>>>
>>> So, the questions are:
>>>
>>> How to make the app create an internet connection using the phone?
>>> Any better idea?
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm using the Motorola MC35 and PocketBuilder 2.5.1.
>>>
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


Chris Keating [Sybase] Posted on 2010-06-16 01:07:28.0Z
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If you use SQL Anywhere on the device and data is moved off the device,
SQL Anywhere must be licensed.

-chris

Chris Pollach wrote:
> Hi Paul;
>
> ML is a great iAnywhere product ... but, I bet the reason is that email
> is free (just a guess) and ML is not. Same for me in many of my PK
> applications. I wrote my own Sync utility that can be used from either
> PK or PB and thus the systems we ship do not have to incur the ML costs
> and deployment headaches - especially where various organizations do not
> have a stellar IT department.
>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2010-06-17 01:13:50.0Z
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Its not the SA licensing - that's a no brainer for me and bundled with the
applications. It was the extra cost of ML plus the headache of deploying,
configuring and supporting it in small IT departments. For larger and more
mature IT based organizations, ML is the way to go IMHO.

"Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> wrote in message
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> If you use SQL Anywhere on the device and data is moved off the device,
> SQL Anywhere must be licensed.
>
> -chris
>
> Chris Pollach wrote:
>> Hi Paul;
>>
>> ML is a great iAnywhere product ... but, I bet the reason is that email
>> is free (just a guess) and ML is not. Same for me in many of my PK
>> applications. I wrote my own Sync utility that can be used from either PK
>> or PB and thus the systems we ship do not have to incur the ML costs and
>> deployment headaches - especially where various organizations do not have
>> a stellar IT department.
>>


Chris Keating [Sybase] Posted on 2010-06-17 11:26:09.0Z
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My post was the benefit the thread. Some using SQL Anywhere with
PocketBuilder do not fully understand this licensing limitation. You can
certainly roll you own mechanism to move data off the device, but are
required to get appropriate licensing if using SQL Anywhere on the device.

Chris Pollach wrote:
> Its not the SA licensing - that's a no brainer for me and bundled with
> the applications. It was the extra cost of ML plus the headache of
> deploying, configuring and supporting it in small IT departments. For
> larger and more mature IT based organizations, ML is the way to go IMHO.
>
>
>
> "Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> wrote in message
> news:4c1823d0@forums-1-dub...
>> If you use SQL Anywhere on the device and data is moved off the
>> device, SQL Anywhere must be licensed.
>>
>> -chris
>>
>> Chris Pollach wrote:
>>> Hi Paul;
>>>
>>> ML is a great iAnywhere product ... but, I bet the reason is that
>>> email is free (just a guess) and ML is not. Same for me in many of my
>>> PK applications. I wrote my own Sync utility that can be used from
>>> either PK or PB and thus the systems we ship do not have to incur the
>>> ML costs and deployment headaches - especially where various
>>> organizations do not have a stellar IT department.
>>>


Grigoris Tsolakidis Posted on 2010-06-17 11:54:16.0Z
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Do you use microsoft sync for this utillity?

? "Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> ???a?e st? µ???µa
news:4c1a0651@forums-1-dub...

> My post was the benefit the thread. Some using SQL Anywhere with
> PocketBuilder do not fully understand this licensing limitation. You can
> certainly roll you own mechanism to move data off the device, but are
> required to get appropriate licensing if using SQL Anywhere on the device.
>
>
> Chris Pollach wrote:
>> Its not the SA licensing - that's a no brainer for me and bundled with
>> the applications. It was the extra cost of ML plus the headache of
>> deploying, configuring and supporting it in small IT departments. For
>> larger and more mature IT based organizations, ML is the way to go IMHO.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> wrote in message
>> news:4c1823d0@forums-1-dub...
>>> If you use SQL Anywhere on the device and data is moved off the device,
>>> SQL Anywhere must be licensed.
>>>
>>> -chris
>>>
>>> Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>> Hi Paul;
>>>>
>>>> ML is a great iAnywhere product ... but, I bet the reason is that
>>>> email is free (just a guess) and ML is not. Same for me in many of my
>>>> PK applications. I wrote my own Sync utility that can be used from
>>>> either PK or PB and thus the systems we ship do not have to incur the
>>>> ML costs and deployment headaches - especially where various
>>>> organizations do not have a stellar IT department.
>>>>


"Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove Posted on 2010-06-17 15:24:23.0Z
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The "license cost" argument of MobiLink vs. home-grown sync routines is a
non-starter, as far as I'm concerned.

Here's an illustration: To deploy PK apps that use SA, you already have to
buy SQLAnywhere Personal Server (for Windows Mobile) for each device. List
price is $125 per device. If you want to move data off the device (whether
you use ML or roll your own) you have to buy SQLAnywhere Personal Server
WITH SYNC. List price for that is $156 per device. (not counting volume or
government discounts). UltraLite goes for $125/device, and has the ML
client built in.

If you're moving data off the device and you DON'T have Ultralite or SA with
the "sync" option, then you're out of compliance.

The incremental cost comes on the server side. If you want to use ML, you
have to purchase one copy of SA Network Server for each consolidated
database you'll be syncing to - even if you're syncing to Oracle or DB2 or
SQLServer. That's where you get the MobiLink Server software - it's not
sold separately. The list price for the cheapest configuration would be the
5-user Workgroup edition, which lists for a measly $650 US.

So, (factoring in support/USPs) you can either spend the $900 and get
MobiLink, or spend 6 man-months rolling your own buggy, bandwidth-hogging
version of what ML has been doing well for over a decade. Your choice...

--
Paul Horan[Sybase]
http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com

"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
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> Its not the SA licensing - that's a no brainer for me and bundled with the
> applications. It was the extra cost of ML plus the headache of deploying,
> configuring and supporting it in small IT departments. For larger and more
> mature IT based organizations, ML is the way to go IMHO.
>
>
>
> "Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> wrote in message
> news:4c1823d0@forums-1-dub...
>> If you use SQL Anywhere on the device and data is moved off the device,
>> SQL Anywhere must be licensed.
>>
>> -chris
>>
>> Chris Pollach wrote:
>>> Hi Paul;
>>>
>>> ML is a great iAnywhere product ... but, I bet the reason is that email
>>> is free (just a guess) and ML is not. Same for me in many of my PK
>>> applications. I wrote my own Sync utility that can be used from either
>>> PK or PB and thus the systems we ship do not have to incur the ML costs
>>> and deployment headaches - especially where various organizations do not
>>> have a stellar IT department.
>>>


Grigoris Tsolakidis Posted on 2010-06-18 06:53:04.0Z
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By the way Paul is there any news regarding PB 3 or whatever from Sybase?

Ï "Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove@remove_sybase.com> Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
news:4c1a3e27$1@forums-1-dub...

> The "license cost" argument of MobiLink vs. home-grown sync routines is a
> non-starter, as far as I'm concerned.
>
> Here's an illustration: To deploy PK apps that use SA, you already have
> to buy SQLAnywhere Personal Server (for Windows Mobile) for each device.
> List price is $125 per device. If you want to move data off the device
> (whether you use ML or roll your own) you have to buy SQLAnywhere Personal
> Server WITH SYNC. List price for that is $156 per device. (not counting
> volume or government discounts). UltraLite goes for $125/device, and has
> the ML client built in.
>
> If you're moving data off the device and you DON'T have Ultralite or SA
> with the "sync" option, then you're out of compliance.
>
> The incremental cost comes on the server side. If you want to use ML, you
> have to purchase one copy of SA Network Server for each consolidated
> database you'll be syncing to - even if you're syncing to Oracle or DB2 or
> SQLServer. That's where you get the MobiLink Server software - it's not
> sold separately. The list price for the cheapest configuration would be
> the 5-user Workgroup edition, which lists for a measly $650 US.
>
> So, (factoring in support/USPs) you can either spend the $900 and get
> MobiLink, or spend 6 man-months rolling your own buggy, bandwidth-hogging
> version of what ML has been doing well for over a decade. Your choice...
>
> --
> Paul Horan[Sybase]
> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>
> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
> news:4c1976ce$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Its not the SA licensing - that's a no brainer for me and bundled with
>> the applications. It was the extra cost of ML plus the headache of
>> deploying, configuring and supporting it in small IT departments. For
>> larger and more mature IT based organizations, ML is the way to go IMHO.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> wrote in message
>> news:4c1823d0@forums-1-dub...
>>> If you use SQL Anywhere on the device and data is moved off the device,
>>> SQL Anywhere must be licensed.
>>>
>>> -chris
>>>
>>> Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>> Hi Paul;
>>>>
>>>> ML is a great iAnywhere product ... but, I bet the reason is that
>>>> email is free (just a guess) and ML is not. Same for me in many of my
>>>> PK applications. I wrote my own Sync utility that can be used from
>>>> either PK or PB and thus the systems we ship do not have to incur the
>>>> ML costs and deployment headaches - especially where various
>>>> organizations do not have a stellar IT department.
>>>>
>
>


Grigoris Tsolakidis Posted on 2010-06-18 14:38:11.0Z
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Paul - is it posible to build an App Servise using Web Edition of SA
and in this case client will have to buy only SQLAnywhere Personal with
Sync for each devise?

Ï "Grigoris Tsolakidis" <greg9898atotenetatgr> Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
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> By the way Paul is there any news regarding PB 3 or whatever from Sybase?
>
> Ï "Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove@remove_sybase.com> Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
> news:4c1a3e27$1@forums-1-dub...
>> The "license cost" argument of MobiLink vs. home-grown sync routines is a
>> non-starter, as far as I'm concerned.
>>
>> Here's an illustration: To deploy PK apps that use SA, you already have
>> to buy SQLAnywhere Personal Server (for Windows Mobile) for each device.
>> List price is $125 per device. If you want to move data off the device
>> (whether you use ML or roll your own) you have to buy SQLAnywhere
>> Personal Server WITH SYNC. List price for that is $156 per device. (not
>> counting volume or government discounts). UltraLite goes for
>> $125/device, and has the ML client built in.
>>
>> If you're moving data off the device and you DON'T have Ultralite or SA
>> with the "sync" option, then you're out of compliance.
>>
>> The incremental cost comes on the server side. If you want to use ML,
>> you have to purchase one copy of SA Network Server for each consolidated
>> database you'll be syncing to - even if you're syncing to Oracle or DB2
>> or SQLServer. That's where you get the MobiLink Server software - it's
>> not sold separately. The list price for the cheapest configuration would
>> be the 5-user Workgroup edition, which lists for a measly $650 US.
>>
>> So, (factoring in support/USPs) you can either spend the $900 and get
>> MobiLink, or spend 6 man-months rolling your own buggy, bandwidth-hogging
>> version of what ML has been doing well for over a decade. Your choice...
>>
>> --
>> Paul Horan[Sybase]
>> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>>
>> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>> news:4c1976ce$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> Its not the SA licensing - that's a no brainer for me and bundled with
>>> the applications. It was the extra cost of ML plus the headache of
>>> deploying, configuring and supporting it in small IT departments. For
>>> larger and more mature IT based organizations, ML is the way to go IMHO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4c1823d0@forums-1-dub...
>>>> If you use SQL Anywhere on the device and data is moved off the device,
>>>> SQL Anywhere must be licensed.
>>>>
>>>> -chris
>>>>
>>>> Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>> Hi Paul;
>>>>>
>>>>> ML is a great iAnywhere product ... but, I bet the reason is that
>>>>> email is free (just a guess) and ML is not. Same for me in many of my
>>>>> PK applications. I wrote my own Sync utility that can be used from
>>>>> either PK or PB and thus the systems we ship do not have to incur the
>>>>> ML costs and deployment headaches - especially where various
>>>>> organizations do not have a stellar IT department.
>>>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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The Web Edition license would likely not permit what you propose.

If you have questions about the SQL Anywhere Web Edition, you might get
better answers in a SQL Anywhere forum or from your sales rep.

Grigoris Tsolakidis wrote:
> Paul - is it posible to build an App Servise using Web Edition of SA
> and in this case client will have to buy only SQLAnywhere Personal with
> Sync for each devise?
>
> Ï "Grigoris Tsolakidis" <greg9898atotenetatgr> Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
> news:4c1b17d0@forums-1-dub...
>> By the way Paul is there any news regarding PB 3 or whatever from Sybase?
>>
>> Ï "Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove@remove_sybase.com> Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
>> news:4c1a3e27$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> The "license cost" argument of MobiLink vs. home-grown sync routines is a
>>> non-starter, as far as I'm concerned.
>>>
>>> Here's an illustration: To deploy PK apps that use SA, you already have
>>> to buy SQLAnywhere Personal Server (for Windows Mobile) for each device.
>>> List price is $125 per device. If you want to move data off the device
>>> (whether you use ML or roll your own) you have to buy SQLAnywhere
>>> Personal Server WITH SYNC. List price for that is $156 per device. (not
>>> counting volume or government discounts). UltraLite goes for
>>> $125/device, and has the ML client built in.
>>>
>>> If you're moving data off the device and you DON'T have Ultralite or SA
>>> with the "sync" option, then you're out of compliance.
>>>
>>> The incremental cost comes on the server side. If you want to use ML,
>>> you have to purchase one copy of SA Network Server for each consolidated
>>> database you'll be syncing to - even if you're syncing to Oracle or DB2
>>> or SQLServer. That's where you get the MobiLink Server software - it's
>>> not sold separately. The list price for the cheapest configuration would
>>> be the 5-user Workgroup edition, which lists for a measly $650 US.
>>>
>>> So, (factoring in support/USPs) you can either spend the $900 and get
>>> MobiLink, or spend 6 man-months rolling your own buggy, bandwidth-hogging
>>> version of what ML has been doing well for over a decade. Your choice...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul Horan[Sybase]
>>> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>>>
>>> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4c1976ce$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>> Its not the SA licensing - that's a no brainer for me and bundled with
>>>> the applications. It was the extra cost of ML plus the headache of
>>>> deploying, configuring and supporting it in small IT departments. For
>>>> larger and more mature IT based organizations, ML is the way to go IMHO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4c1823d0@forums-1-dub...
>>>>> If you use SQL Anywhere on the device and data is moved off the device,
>>>>> SQL Anywhere must be licensed.
>>>>>
>>>>> -chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Paul;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ML is a great iAnywhere product ... but, I bet the reason is that
>>>>>> email is free (just a guess) and ML is not. Same for me in many of my
>>>>>> PK applications. I wrote my own Sync utility that can be used from
>>>>>> either PK or PB and thus the systems we ship do not have to incur the
>>>>>> ML costs and deployment headaches - especially where various
>>>>>> organizations do not have a stellar IT department.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


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There seems that not so many sales reps know this subject (sql anywhere
licensing on mobile platform).

This license option is not listed on the Sybase site too.

I already ask this question on SQL Anywhere Forum - no answer.

So I try my luck with Paul who seems to know this process in detail.

Sorry for the wrong forum but there is not big traffic anyway :)



? "Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> ?????? ??? ??????
news:4c1b86b0@forums-1-dub...

> The Web Edition license would likely not permit what you propose.
>
> If you have questions about the SQL Anywhere Web Edition, you might get
> better answers in a SQL Anywhere forum or from your sales rep.
>
>
>
> Grigoris Tsolakidis wrote:
>> Paul - is it posible to build an App Servise using Web Edition of SA
>> and in this case client will have to buy only SQLAnywhere Personal with
>> Sync for each devise?
>>
>> Ï "Grigoris Tsolakidis" <greg9898atotenetatgr> Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
>> news:4c1b17d0@forums-1-dub...
>>> By the way Paul is there any news regarding PB 3 or whatever from
>>> Sybase?
>>>
>>> Ï "Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove@remove_sybase.com> Ýãñáøå óôï
>>> ìÞíõìá news:4c1a3e27$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>> The "license cost" argument of MobiLink vs. home-grown sync routines is
>>>> a non-starter, as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>
>>>> Here's an illustration: To deploy PK apps that use SA, you already
>>>> have to buy SQLAnywhere Personal Server (for Windows Mobile) for each
>>>> device. List price is $125 per device. If you want to move data off the
>>>> device (whether you use ML or roll your own) you have to buy
>>>> SQLAnywhere Personal Server WITH SYNC. List price for that is $156 per
>>>> device. (not counting volume or government discounts). UltraLite goes
>>>> for $125/device, and has the ML client built in.
>>>>
>>>> If you're moving data off the device and you DON'T have Ultralite or SA
>>>> with the "sync" option, then you're out of compliance.
>>>>
>>>> The incremental cost comes on the server side. If you want to use ML,
>>>> you have to purchase one copy of SA Network Server for each
>>>> consolidated database you'll be syncing to - even if you're syncing to
>>>> Oracle or DB2 or SQLServer. That's where you get the MobiLink Server
>>>> software - it's not sold separately. The list price for the cheapest
>>>> configuration would be the 5-user Workgroup edition, which lists for a
>>>> measly $650 US.
>>>>
>>>> So, (factoring in support/USPs) you can either spend the $900 and get
>>>> MobiLink, or spend 6 man-months rolling your own buggy,
>>>> bandwidth-hogging version of what ML has been doing well for over a
>>>> decade. Your choice...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Paul Horan[Sybase]
>>>> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>>>>
>>>> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4c1976ce$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>> Its not the SA licensing - that's a no brainer for me and bundled with
>>>>> the applications. It was the extra cost of ML plus the headache of
>>>>> deploying, configuring and supporting it in small IT departments. For
>>>>> larger and more mature IT based organizations, ML is the way to go
>>>>> IMHO.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4c1823d0@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>> If you use SQL Anywhere on the device and data is moved off the
>>>>>> device, SQL Anywhere must be licensed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Paul;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ML is a great iAnywhere product ... but, I bet the reason is that
>>>>>>> email is free (just a guess) and ML is not. Same for me in many of
>>>>>>> my PK applications. I wrote my own Sync utility that can be used
>>>>>>> from either PK or PB and thus the systems we ship do not have to
>>>>>>> incur the ML costs and deployment headaches - especially where
>>>>>>> various organizations do not have a stellar IT department.
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>


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The licensing terms for the WebEdition speaks to this question. Here is
that term:

3.2 Synchronization. Each instance of this SQL Anywhere Web Edition
permits you to install and use the MobiLink Synchronization Server
component, provided that (a) the MobiLink Synchronization Server
consolidated database is the SQL Anywhere Server described in Section
3.1, a SQL Anywhere Server with a valid purchased License, or a MySQL
database server; (b) all synchronization requests to the MobiLink
Synchronization Server are from SQL Anywhere UltraLite components
described in Section 3.3; and (c) the MobiLink Synchronization Server is
installed on only one computer.


The interpretation of this term is that you cannot use the Mobilink from
the Web Edition to sync data from PocketBuilder, even if you have
licenses for SQL Anwyhere w/Sync.

-chris

Grigoris Tsolakidis wrote:
> There seems that not so many sales reps know this subject (sql anywhere
> licensing on mobile platform).
>
> This license option is not listed on the Sybase site too.
>
> I already ask this question on SQL Anywhere Forum - no answer.
>
> So I try my luck with Paul who seems to know this process in detail.
>
> Sorry for the wrong forum but there is not big traffic anyway :)
>
>
>
> ? "Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> ?????? ??? ??????
> news:4c1b86b0@forums-1-dub...
>> The Web Edition license would likely not permit what you propose.
>>
>> If you have questions about the SQL Anywhere Web Edition, you might get
>> better answers in a SQL Anywhere forum or from your sales rep.
>>
>>
>>
>> Grigoris Tsolakidis wrote:
>>> Paul - is it posible to build an App Servise using Web Edition of SA
>>> and in this case client will have to buy only SQLAnywhere Personal with
>>> Sync for each devise?
>>>
>>> Ï "Grigoris Tsolakidis" <greg9898atotenetatgr> Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
>>> news:4c1b17d0@forums-1-dub...
>>>> By the way Paul is there any news regarding PB 3 or whatever from
>>>> Sybase?
>>>>
>>>> Ï "Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove@remove_sybase.com> Ýãñáøå óôï
>>>> ìÞíõìá news:4c1a3e27$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>> The "license cost" argument of MobiLink vs. home-grown sync routines is
>>>>> a non-starter, as far as I'm concerned.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's an illustration: To deploy PK apps that use SA, you already
>>>>> have to buy SQLAnywhere Personal Server (for Windows Mobile) for each
>>>>> device. List price is $125 per device. If you want to move data off the
>>>>> device (whether you use ML or roll your own) you have to buy
>>>>> SQLAnywhere Personal Server WITH SYNC. List price for that is $156 per
>>>>> device. (not counting volume or government discounts). UltraLite goes
>>>>> for $125/device, and has the ML client built in.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're moving data off the device and you DON'T have Ultralite or SA
>>>>> with the "sync" option, then you're out of compliance.
>>>>>
>>>>> The incremental cost comes on the server side. If you want to use ML,
>>>>> you have to purchase one copy of SA Network Server for each
>>>>> consolidated database you'll be syncing to - even if you're syncing to
>>>>> Oracle or DB2 or SQLServer. That's where you get the MobiLink Server
>>>>> software - it's not sold separately. The list price for the cheapest
>>>>> configuration would be the 5-user Workgroup edition, which lists for a
>>>>> measly $650 US.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, (factoring in support/USPs) you can either spend the $900 and get
>>>>> MobiLink, or spend 6 man-months rolling your own buggy,
>>>>> bandwidth-hogging version of what ML has been doing well for over a
>>>>> decade. Your choice...
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Paul Horan[Sybase]
>>>>> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4c1976ce$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>> Its not the SA licensing - that's a no brainer for me and bundled with
>>>>>> the applications. It was the extra cost of ML plus the headache of
>>>>>> deploying, configuring and supporting it in small IT departments. For
>>>>>> larger and more mature IT based organizations, ML is the way to go
>>>>>> IMHO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4c1823d0@forums-1-dub...
>>>>>>> If you use SQL Anywhere on the device and data is moved off the
>>>>>>> device, SQL Anywhere must be licensed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Paul;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ML is a great iAnywhere product ... but, I bet the reason is that
>>>>>>>> email is free (just a guess) and ML is not. Same for me in many of
>>>>>>>> my PK applications. I wrote my own Sync utility that can be used
>>>>>>>> from either PK or PB and thus the systems we ship do not have to
>>>>>>>> incur the ML costs and deployment headaches - especially where
>>>>>>>> various organizations do not have a stellar IT department.
>>>>>>>>
>


Grigoris Tsolakidis Posted on 2010-06-18 06:52:17.0Z
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Ya - nothning come close to ML...

Ï "Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove@remove_sybase.com> Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
news:4c1a3e27$1@forums-1-dub...

> The "license cost" argument of MobiLink vs. home-grown sync routines is a
> non-starter, as far as I'm concerned.
>
> Here's an illustration: To deploy PK apps that use SA, you already have
> to buy SQLAnywhere Personal Server (for Windows Mobile) for each device.
> List price is $125 per device. If you want to move data off the device
> (whether you use ML or roll your own) you have to buy SQLAnywhere Personal
> Server WITH SYNC. List price for that is $156 per device. (not counting
> volume or government discounts). UltraLite goes for $125/device, and has
> the ML client built in.
>
> If you're moving data off the device and you DON'T have Ultralite or SA
> with the "sync" option, then you're out of compliance.
>
> The incremental cost comes on the server side. If you want to use ML, you
> have to purchase one copy of SA Network Server for each consolidated
> database you'll be syncing to - even if you're syncing to Oracle or DB2 or
> SQLServer. That's where you get the MobiLink Server software - it's not
> sold separately. The list price for the cheapest configuration would be
> the 5-user Workgroup edition, which lists for a measly $650 US.
>
> So, (factoring in support/USPs) you can either spend the $900 and get
> MobiLink, or spend 6 man-months rolling your own buggy, bandwidth-hogging
> version of what ML has been doing well for over a decade. Your choice...
>
> --
> Paul Horan[Sybase]
> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>
> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
> news:4c1976ce$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Its not the SA licensing - that's a no brainer for me and bundled with
>> the applications. It was the extra cost of ML plus the headache of
>> deploying, configuring and supporting it in small IT departments. For
>> larger and more mature IT based organizations, ML is the way to go IMHO.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> wrote in message
>> news:4c1823d0@forums-1-dub...
>>> If you use SQL Anywhere on the device and data is moved off the device,
>>> SQL Anywhere must be licensed.
>>>
>>> -chris
>>>
>>> Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>> Hi Paul;
>>>>
>>>> ML is a great iAnywhere product ... but, I bet the reason is that
>>>> email is free (just a guess) and ML is not. Same for me in many of my
>>>> PK applications. I wrote my own Sync utility that can be used from
>>>> either PK or PB and thus the systems we ship do not have to incur the
>>>> ML costs and deployment headaches - especially where various
>>>> organizations do not have a stellar IT department.
>>>>
>
>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2010-06-19 01:54:49.0Z
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Its not the cost of ML in that regard .. its the cost of deploying,
configuring and supporting ML in locations where your application does not
have any or limited IT people.

"Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove@remove_sybase.com> wrote in message
news:4c1a3e27$1@forums-1-dub...
> The "license cost" argument of MobiLink vs. home-grown sync routines is a
> non-starter, as far as I'm concerned.
>
> Here's an illustration: To deploy PK apps that use SA, you already have
> to buy SQLAnywhere Personal Server (for Windows Mobile) for each device.
> List price is $125 per device. If you want to move data off the device
> (whether you use ML or roll your own) you have to buy SQLAnywhere Personal
> Server WITH SYNC. List price for that is $156 per device. (not counting
> volume or government discounts). UltraLite goes for $125/device, and has
> the ML client built in.
>
> If you're moving data off the device and you DON'T have Ultralite or SA
> with the "sync" option, then you're out of compliance.
>
> The incremental cost comes on the server side. If you want to use ML, you
> have to purchase one copy of SA Network Server for each consolidated
> database you'll be syncing to - even if you're syncing to Oracle or DB2 or
> SQLServer. That's where you get the MobiLink Server software - it's not
> sold separately. The list price for the cheapest configuration would be
> the 5-user Workgroup edition, which lists for a measly $650 US.
>
> So, (factoring in support/USPs) you can either spend the $900 and get
> MobiLink, or spend 6 man-months rolling your own buggy, bandwidth-hogging
> version of what ML has been doing well for over a decade. Your choice...
>
> --
> Paul Horan[Sybase]
> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>
> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
> news:4c1976ce$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Its not the SA licensing - that's a no brainer for me and bundled with
>> the applications. It was the extra cost of ML plus the headache of
>> deploying, configuring and supporting it in small IT departments. For
>> larger and more mature IT based organizations, ML is the way to go IMHO.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> wrote in message
>> news:4c1823d0@forums-1-dub...
>>> If you use SQL Anywhere on the device and data is moved off the device,
>>> SQL Anywhere must be licensed.
>>>
>>> -chris
>>>
>>> Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>> Hi Paul;
>>>>
>>>> ML is a great iAnywhere product ... but, I bet the reason is that
>>>> email is free (just a guess) and ML is not. Same for me in many of my
>>>> PK applications. I wrote my own Sync utility that can be used from
>>>> either PK or PB and thus the systems we ship do not have to incur the
>>>> ML costs and deployment headaches - especially where various
>>>> organizations do not have a stellar IT department.
>>>>
>
>


"Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove Posted on 2010-06-20 00:31:00.0Z
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Which is what, exactly? You've costed this out? Compared with the same
cost of deploying, configuring, and supporting a home-grown solution? If
you're going to make blanket statements like that, be prepared to back them
up with facts, not just your opinion.

SQLAnywhere (and MobiLink) are DESIGNED for environments where there's a
possibility of limited (or nonexistant) IT staff! It's one of their key
selling points!

--
Paul Horan[Sybase]
http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com

"Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
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> Its not the cost of ML in that regard .. its the cost of deploying,
> configuring and supporting ML in locations where your application does not
> have any or limited IT people.
>
>
>
>
> "Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove@remove_sybase.com> wrote in message
> news:4c1a3e27$1@forums-1-dub...
>> The "license cost" argument of MobiLink vs. home-grown sync routines is a
>> non-starter, as far as I'm concerned.
>>
>> Here's an illustration: To deploy PK apps that use SA, you already have
>> to buy SQLAnywhere Personal Server (for Windows Mobile) for each device.
>> List price is $125 per device. If you want to move data off the device
>> (whether you use ML or roll your own) you have to buy SQLAnywhere
>> Personal Server WITH SYNC. List price for that is $156 per device. (not
>> counting volume or government discounts). UltraLite goes for
>> $125/device, and has the ML client built in.
>>
>> If you're moving data off the device and you DON'T have Ultralite or SA
>> with the "sync" option, then you're out of compliance.
>>
>> The incremental cost comes on the server side. If you want to use ML,
>> you have to purchase one copy of SA Network Server for each consolidated
>> database you'll be syncing to - even if you're syncing to Oracle or DB2
>> or SQLServer. That's where you get the MobiLink Server software - it's
>> not sold separately. The list price for the cheapest configuration would
>> be the 5-user Workgroup edition, which lists for a measly $650 US.
>>
>> So, (factoring in support/USPs) you can either spend the $900 and get
>> MobiLink, or spend 6 man-months rolling your own buggy, bandwidth-hogging
>> version of what ML has been doing well for over a decade. Your choice...
>>
>> --
>> Paul Horan[Sybase]
>> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>>
>> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>> news:4c1976ce$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> Its not the SA licensing - that's a no brainer for me and bundled with
>>> the applications. It was the extra cost of ML plus the headache of
>>> deploying, configuring and supporting it in small IT departments. For
>>> larger and more mature IT based organizations, ML is the way to go IMHO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4c1823d0@forums-1-dub...
>>>> If you use SQL Anywhere on the device and data is moved off the device,
>>>> SQL Anywhere must be licensed.
>>>>
>>>> -chris
>>>>
>>>> Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>> Hi Paul;
>>>>>
>>>>> ML is a great iAnywhere product ... but, I bet the reason is that
>>>>> email is free (just a guess) and ML is not. Same for me in many of my
>>>>> PK applications. I wrote my own Sync utility that can be used from
>>>>> either PK or PB and thus the systems we ship do not have to incur the
>>>>> ML costs and deployment headaches - especially where various
>>>>> organizations do not have a stellar IT department.
>>>>>
>>
>>


Chris Pollach Posted on 2010-06-21 02:09:37.0Z
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Hi Paul;

Yep, I have a few applications that use my own sync utility. The biggest one
is the AirMan / AirMan Mobile system which uses this home grown utility in
many airports around North America and Australia. Sorry to burst your
bubble, but analyzed that, tested it, costed it and went with the easy, home
grown way (took me 2 hours to write and test the prototype and another few
hours to perfect it).

When you start talking to the various airports you quickly realize that many
of the smaller airports have no IT staff. They just contract out to have the
systems installed, upgraded, etc. Even with IT staff, even major airports do
not have very technically astute staff. I would imagine that many software
developers will encounter this scenario in their customer deployments as
well. So like I said, for large mature IT sites I would definitely recommend
ML. For the smaller ones, the home grow sync utility might be your option.
(or course mileage may vary depending on your application design - so this
would have to be evaluated on a case by case basis).

Anyway, don't believe me - talk to the guy I built it for:
Greg Winfield - http://www.volairus.com

FYI: http://adtmag.com/articles/2006/04/06/airman.aspx
http://m.sybase.com/detail?id=1033707


BTW: I have never published the Sync utility under my PocketBuilder
Foundation Classes or sample applications on Source Forge - but, If anyone
would like a copy of this ... please drop me an email. You can easily tweak
the utility in a few minutes to go against any DBMS to SA and back again (it
sync's both ways). The code is for PK or PB as well BTW.

Regards ... Chris
President: OSUG / STD Inc.
Blog: http://chrispollach.pbdjmagazine.com
SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/stdfndclass

"Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove@remove_sybase.com> wrote in message
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> Which is what, exactly? You've costed this out? Compared with the same
> cost of deploying, configuring, and supporting a home-grown solution? If
> you're going to make blanket statements like that, be prepared to back
> them up with facts, not just your opinion.
>
> SQLAnywhere (and MobiLink) are DESIGNED for environments where there's a
> possibility of limited (or nonexistant) IT staff! It's one of their key
> selling points!
>
> --
> Paul Horan[Sybase]
> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>
> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
> news:4c1c2369$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Its not the cost of ML in that regard .. its the cost of deploying,
>> configuring and supporting ML in locations where your application does
>> not have any or limited IT people.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove@remove_sybase.com> wrote in message
>> news:4c1a3e27$1@forums-1-dub...
>>> The "license cost" argument of MobiLink vs. home-grown sync routines is
>>> a non-starter, as far as I'm concerned.
>>>
>>> Here's an illustration: To deploy PK apps that use SA, you already
>>> have to buy SQLAnywhere Personal Server (for Windows Mobile) for each
>>> device. List price is $125 per device. If you want to move data off the
>>> device (whether you use ML or roll your own) you have to buy SQLAnywhere
>>> Personal Server WITH SYNC. List price for that is $156 per device. (not
>>> counting volume or government discounts). UltraLite goes for
>>> $125/device, and has the ML client built in.
>>>
>>> If you're moving data off the device and you DON'T have Ultralite or SA
>>> with the "sync" option, then you're out of compliance.
>>>
>>> The incremental cost comes on the server side. If you want to use ML,
>>> you have to purchase one copy of SA Network Server for each consolidated
>>> database you'll be syncing to - even if you're syncing to Oracle or DB2
>>> or SQLServer. That's where you get the MobiLink Server software - it's
>>> not sold separately. The list price for the cheapest configuration
>>> would be the 5-user Workgroup edition, which lists for a measly $650 US.
>>>
>>> So, (factoring in support/USPs) you can either spend the $900 and get
>>> MobiLink, or spend 6 man-months rolling your own buggy,
>>> bandwidth-hogging version of what ML has been doing well for over a
>>> decade. Your choice...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Paul Horan[Sybase]
>>> http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com
>>>
>>> "Chris Pollach" <cpollach@travel-net.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4c1976ce$1@forums-1-dub...
>>>> Its not the SA licensing - that's a no brainer for me and bundled with
>>>> the applications. It was the extra cost of ML plus the headache of
>>>> deploying, configuring and supporting it in small IT departments. For
>>>> larger and more mature IT based organizations, ML is the way to go
>>>> IMHO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Chris Keating [Sybase]" <keating_nospam@sybase.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4c1823d0@forums-1-dub...
>>>>> If you use SQL Anywhere on the device and data is moved off the
>>>>> device, SQL Anywhere must be licensed.
>>>>>
>>>>> -chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Pollach wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Paul;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ML is a great iAnywhere product ... but, I bet the reason is that
>>>>>> email is free (just a guess) and ML is not. Same for me in many of my
>>>>>> PK applications. I wrote my own Sync utility that can be used from
>>>>>> either PK or PB and thus the systems we ship do not have to incur the
>>>>>> ML costs and deployment headaches - especially where various
>>>>>> organizations do not have a stellar IT department.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>


"Manuel Espinoza" <jmespinoza_no_spam Posted on 2010-06-17 21:13:34.0Z
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My apologies, it seems that this thread has gone in a different direction to
what it was intended to.Sorry for the confusion, I'm not a native english
speaker(though its interesting the responses, because they made turn into
Mobilink capabilities :) ).

My request was how to use or consume(don't know which word would apply
better) the "anywhere" internet you get when you buy a telephone. Ok, this
would be my scenario for better reference:

I have a server with a consolidated DB(I'll bet it will be ASE 15.x), but
now I need to get some data from people collecting it in the streets. I need
that data as soon as the user saves it(ok, not that fast but as nearly fast
possible ;) ). Given there is no network, nor the possiblity the people
going back and forth to the craddle and street, my only option is to use the
mobile internet that would come with the chip installed in the telephone.
Then I may choose (as stated in the other responses) to create my sync
system or buying a consolidated one.

So, I basically need to know how to activate and get connected to the
internet using any sort of Windows Mobile API, or any function from pocket
builder or maybe a 3rd party control. I just can't get any info that would
help me.

I'm using for testing:

Motorola MC35 (WM 6 Professional Edition ),
SA 11 developer edition(once this goes ok, the customer would pay the
licensing-related things )
PocketBuilder 2.5.1 1155


Hope this make more sense :)


Thanks for the support!





"Manuel Espinoza" <jmespinoza_no_spam@seicom_dot_com_dot_mx> escribió en el
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> Hi all!
>
>
> This is new to me; I'm asked to data Sync even when there's no wireless
> network available, so the only method I can think of is using the GSM
> network. I guess I would connect to internet using the phone, then sending
> an e-mail with the data package attached...
>
> So, the questions are:
>
> How to make the app create an internet connection using the phone?
> Any better idea?
>
>
> I'm using the Motorola MC35 and PocketBuilder 2.5.1.
>
>
> Many thanks in advance
>


Grigoris Tsolakidis Posted on 2010-06-18 06:51:27.0Z
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Manuel - you need to know how get connected to the internet from mobile
phone?
If your GPS Provider support GPRS you have to ask them how to activate it
not this forum.

Ï "Manuel Espinoza" <jmespinoza_no_spam@seicom_dot_com_dot_mx> Ýãñáøå óôï
ìÞíõìá news:4c1a8ffe$1@forums-1-dub...

> My apologies, it seems that this thread has gone in a different direction
> to what it was intended to.Sorry for the confusion, I'm not a native
> english speaker(though its interesting the responses, because they made
> turn into Mobilink capabilities :) ).
>
> My request was how to use or consume(don't know which word would apply
> better) the "anywhere" internet you get when you buy a telephone. Ok, this
> would be my scenario for better reference:
>
> I have a server with a consolidated DB(I'll bet it will be ASE 15.x), but
> now I need to get some data from people collecting it in the streets. I
> need that data as soon as the user saves it(ok, not that fast but as
> nearly fast possible ;) ). Given there is no network, nor the possiblity
> the people going back and forth to the craddle and street, my only option
> is to use the mobile internet that would come with the chip installed in
> the telephone. Then I may choose (as stated in the other responses) to
> create my sync system or buying a consolidated one.
>
> So, I basically need to know how to activate and get connected to the
> internet using any sort of Windows Mobile API, or any function from
> pocket builder or maybe a 3rd party control. I just can't get any info
> that would help me.
>
> I'm using for testing:
>
> Motorola MC35 (WM 6 Professional Edition ),
> SA 11 developer edition(once this goes ok, the customer would pay the
> licensing-related things )
> PocketBuilder 2.5.1 1155
>
>
> Hope this make more sense :)
>
>
> Thanks for the support!
>
>
>
>
>
> "Manuel Espinoza" <jmespinoza_no_spam@seicom_dot_com_dot_mx> escribió en
> el mensaje news:4c0037ea$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Hi all!
>>
>>
>> This is new to me; I'm asked to data Sync even when there's no wireless
>> network available, so the only method I can think of is using the GSM
>> network. I guess I would connect to internet using the phone, then
>> sending an e-mail with the data package attached...
>>
>> So, the questions are:
>>
>> How to make the app create an internet connection using the phone?
>> Any better idea?
>>
>>
>> I'm using the Motorola MC35 and PocketBuilder 2.5.1.
>>
>>
>> Many thanks in advance
>>
>
>


"Paul Horan[Sybase]" <phoran_remove Posted on 2010-06-18 18:16:14.0Z
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If the device has mobile internet capabilities, then it has an IP address.
If it has an IP address, it can function as a MobiLink client and establish
sync sessions to the ML server across that connection. With the optional
Relay Server component, you don't even have to open up TCP/IP ports thru the
internal firewall.

http://www.sybase.com/products/databasemanagement/sqlanywhere/mobileapplications

--
Paul Horan[Sybase]
http://paulhoran.ulitzer.com

"Manuel Espinoza" <jmespinoza_no_spam@seicom_dot_com_dot_mx> wrote in
message news:4c1a8ffe$1@forums-1-dub...
> My apologies, it seems that this thread has gone in a different direction
> to what it was intended to.Sorry for the confusion, I'm not a native
> english speaker(though its interesting the responses, because they made
> turn into Mobilink capabilities :) ).
>
> My request was how to use or consume(don't know which word would apply
> better) the "anywhere" internet you get when you buy a telephone. Ok, this
> would be my scenario for better reference:
>
> I have a server with a consolidated DB(I'll bet it will be ASE 15.x), but
> now I need to get some data from people collecting it in the streets. I
> need that data as soon as the user saves it(ok, not that fast but as
> nearly fast possible ;) ). Given there is no network, nor the possiblity
> the people going back and forth to the craddle and street, my only option
> is to use the mobile internet that would come with the chip installed in
> the telephone. Then I may choose (as stated in the other responses) to
> create my sync system or buying a consolidated one.
>
> So, I basically need to know how to activate and get connected to the
> internet using any sort of Windows Mobile API, or any function from
> pocket builder or maybe a 3rd party control. I just can't get any info
> that would help me.
>
> I'm using for testing:
>
> Motorola MC35 (WM 6 Professional Edition ),
> SA 11 developer edition(once this goes ok, the customer would pay the
> licensing-related things )
> PocketBuilder 2.5.1 1155
>
>
> Hope this make more sense :)
>
>
> Thanks for the support!
>
>
>
>
>
> "Manuel Espinoza" <jmespinoza_no_spam@seicom_dot_com_dot_mx> escribió en
> el mensaje news:4c0037ea$1@forums-1-dub...
>> Hi all!
>>
>>
>> This is new to me; I'm asked to data Sync even when there's no wireless
>> network available, so the only method I can think of is using the GSM
>> network. I guess I would connect to internet using the phone, then
>> sending an e-mail with the data package attached...
>>
>> So, the questions are:
>>
>> How to make the app create an internet connection using the phone?
>> Any better idea?
>>
>>
>> I'm using the Motorola MC35 and PocketBuilder 2.5.1.
>>
>>
>> Many thanks in advance
>>
>
>